# Simple model always becomes unstable

Hi list,

I have a model with 5 revolute joints, nothing special. It is a kind of shoulder and elbow construct. When started it seems stable, but after a few seconds it becomes violantly unstable. This all with default settings. How can it be that this does not work with gazebo, what am I doing wrong?

Tried several versions of gazebo, 9 and 10, on Ubuntu and Debian (from source), but the behavior always is the same.

The model can be found on my github page. There is the boot.urdf that I created and the boot.sdf generated from it.

Please see instable.mp4 for the instabilities.

**Update:** This model is just a simplified version of my intended model, which can be found here.
I created the simplified model to solve the instabilities and crashes of gazebo first.

The inertia values of all 1 kg links a calculated using the values in `<visual>`

using the standard formulas.
The values are all realistic physical values, so I assume they should work with gazebo.
If I however change the **first** link from 1 to 3 kg, with correct inertia values, it becomes stable.

But that is no solution for my much more complex model. So my strategy is to first get the simplified model to work.

Thanks in advance, Sietse

PS. This is actually a question I asked before, but is still unresolved. I hope that now maybe someone else can help me in some way!

How did you arrive to the inertia values? Maybe they are too small. Can you try bigger values?

Thanks for the reply. Please see the update.

If you use controllers for the joints, inspect whether the PID values make sense. In case the adjustment of the inertials solved the instability, then adjusting PID values should do the same. It's usually one of those two that need to be fixed.

Note that there are no controllers here. I just start gazebo and the model in itself becomes unstable.